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Actually, I largely agree with Speed on this. Possibly because of the suggestive nature of the format, Dayton or perhaps the pro-business Star Tribune bought into a conservative talking point, that the recession and high unemployment is somehow the fault of workers.

Is it the taxpayer's responsibility to give me the money to open a business? I must have missed that in my reading of the Constitution.

Is it the taxpayer's responsibility to give me the money to open a business?

No.

I must have missed that in my reading of the Constitution.

The constitution isn't a policy document. It doesn't address the issue one way or another.

The operative word here is "responsibility." Does the state have the authority to allocate taxpayer funds for private enterprises? Should it? That's a great debate we ought to engage in. It's too bad we can't bring it up for a vote so the people can tell our elected officials how they feel about the theft, er, allocation, of their money towards dubious, private enterprises like baseball, football, casinos and other distractions the private marketplace ought to be solely engaged in.

Does the state have the authority to allocate taxpayer funds for private enterprises?

Yes.

Should it?

Depends on the situation.

Which businesses? Explain to me, please, which for-profit businesses ought to receive the oxygen of taxpayer money. I want to know because I'm going to tell you there are very few private businesses (any?) which ought to receive any taxpayer money. It is this commingling of public/private missions which is creating this hole we're digging ourselves. The government and the private sector need to be segregated for a very strategic reason - they are a corrupting influence on the other.

Private schools.

And, stadia? How about we take the two billion dedicated to public financing of stadia for private business and put that money into a pool into which citizens could opt into private school tuition for their kids?

Novel thought.

I think we are confusing the use of taxpayer money to engage in the legitimate purchase of goods and services from a private business for the "general welfare" and the non-specific subsidizing of a private business. When government pays a private contractor to build a road, that's legitimate. If government spends money to educate kids (a general public good), it doesn't matter one bit where it is spent, private or otherwise. Now, if government builds a school building, hires teachers and [lots of] administrators, and then most of the kids end up functionally unemployable, is THAT legitimate? I say no.

And, stadia?

Different question. I am very much in favor of public support for private schools. The case for stadiums is less clear to me.

"I think we are confusing the use of taxpayer money to engage in the legitimate purchase of goods and services from a private business for the "general welfare" and the non-specific subsidizing of a private business."

Not so much confusion as a a basic refusal to think about what government does. Of course government deals with private for profit business all the time. Of course, what government does affects the private sector. What government does, assuming that it follows the appropriate legal procedures, and doesn't violate any laws is always legitimate. The question is whether what is under consideration is wise.

Whether we should build schools, libraries, stadiums or rocket ships to the moon are all policy issues, the things we elect legislators and governors and even the odd president or two, to decide.

I agree with all of that. :-0

Public support for a Gophers stadium I can understand. Public support for the Metrodome I can even understand, since all manner of taxpayer-supported events go on there, and other kinds of "cultural events" take place. I favor, within reasonable bounds, taxpayer support of arts and culture FACILITIES, as being an important part of a society. I do NOT support taxpayers actually funding the running of these facilities. That should be done by a non-profit organization, supported by voluntary contributions and participation fees.

On that basis I could see giving the Vikes the Metrodome, but not subsidizing a new Stadium for them. My counter example would be the fact that, when Best Buy wanted to move to Bloomington, the city kicked private owners off the land and gave it to them, and the state built them a nice new freeway interchange. They even got a tax break for 20 years. But as far as I know they didn't get millions of dollars to subsidize building a headquarters building for a private enterprise

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